Great discussion folks, and spot on with the strategy that could take our people to freedom:
1. SNP indy-unity leader
2. Dissolve Holyrood
3. SNP alliance with Alba
4. Elect an Independence super-majority via SNP1: ALBA2
5. Reclaim Scottis Soveranety
BB, you are right: she is just the head of the snake. The likes of McDonald and others are just as dangerous, and the odious Greens need to be ditched, too. The ‘trans’ lobby has been given a bloody nose, but we should be very vigilant because it is not gone, and will retrench for another bid, and it has many allies in civic Scotland. ALBA also needs to be very careful now that they don’t move across and infiltrate it, especially if ALBA is embraced at some point. ‘Trans’ is like an infection. Beware.
Like Eva and Yvonne, I’m not cock-a-hoop at Sturgeon’s stepping down because there are too many other jobsworths and foot draggers and ‘trans’ apologists, not to mention overly ambitious persons who are not interested in independence, still infesting the party, and who will not be willing to make a U-turn.
Is the upholding of reality transphobic, Robert? There can be no such thing as ‘trans’ because no one can change sex, ergo ‘trans’ is a nonsense word for this particular condition. If you force me to choose between entering an independent Scotland where I have no rights at all or they are taken by ‘trans’, and an independent Scotland where my rights to safety, privacy and dignity are enshrined in a constitution and Bill of Rights, I will choose the latter. Force women into a situation where this issue has not been put to rest, and many will not vote for an indy Scotland. We are speaking here about 51-52% of the Scottish population. By all means, support the ‘trans’, but you cannot claim our vote, too, so good luck with your independence. I can only suggest that you have no understanding of the issues at stake for females and children.
Sturgeons’s legacy is that of how she and her clique derailed the SNP and the independence movement.
And now with her going the movement has to rebuild. But Phil is absolutely right when he says there is work to be done to wrestle the SNP from the grip of the establishment. Nicola’s going has not changed that.
My own view and the view of many is that there needs to be more destruction of the SNP. The poison in the SNP runs deep. The establishment sowed deep seeds. Sturgeon was not the only establishment actor.
But the desire for independence has not gone away.
Yes there may be growing dissatisfaction with the SNP but that is not dissatisfaction with independence. The drive for independence is there to be cultivated. Our elected members, not the compromised dross, now have the opportunity to take heart. A new FM in Scotland, a new party leader, a union of effort between those elected to Westminster with those elected to Hollyrood, a union of effort and cues between the SNP, Alba and others. The weaponry is all there to be rearranged resume the fight, force a referendum, collapse the Scottish Parliament, walk out of Westminster, create a constitutional invention or whatever and take what is ours.
Difficult times ahead certainly, but equally, with Sturgeon gone, the opportunity for change opens before us.
In 2016, when 62% of Scots voted against Brexit, ALL Sturgeon had to do was invoke the Claim of Right and the UK was immediately plunged into existential Constitutional crisis which I cannot see how the Union would have survived.
The legal benchmarks in the Good Friday Agreement became the basis for the Northern Irish Backstop.
The legal benchmarks in the Treaty of Union; the violation of the Claim of Right, should have become the basis for a Scottish Backstop even more powerful than the Irish, and that Scottish Backstop would have halted Brexit completely, or, split the Union in two.
The London Government could not have overturned the democratic will of Scotland backed up by the Claim of Right, and the weight of International Law would have been full square behind Scotland, just as it was with Ireland the NI Backstop.. Scottish Independence was right there for the taking in 2016. No if’s, no buts. (Ok maybe a couple of ‘ifs’).
Either the Union died, because Brexit going ahead was an act of subjugation and an explicit violation of Scotland’s lawful Constitution, or, if Brexit was abandoned, that effectively meant Scotland had a sovereign veto inside the UK, and Tory Brexit Britain would have found that situation intolerable and irreconcilable.
Sturgeon’s capitulation to Scotland’s Brexit is by far Nicola Sturgeon’s greatest failure, her most heinous abdication of responsibility, and an egregious betrayal of Scotland which dwarfs all her other failures put together.
Sturgeon should have been sacked in 2016 for squandering Scotland’s Independence when presented with a open goal to quash the Treaty of Union and lay the blame / responsibility for the UK’s demise squarely on the hubris and exceptionalism of BritNat arrogance.
Not only would Scotland have been Independent in 2016, but in a commanding position to largely dictate the terms of the dissolution of the Union after it was London’s Brexit debacle which rendered the Treaty of Union untenable.
That Sturgeon got away with this biblical betrayal of Scotland should stand as graphic testimony as to how utterly dysfunctional Scotland’s powers of self defence currently are, having been compromised by the invasive colonial doctrines of the 1998 Scotland Act, augmented by wall to wall disinformation and indoctrination by the UK media.
When the truth comes out, Sturgeon’s legacy will be a litany of shameful failures. Her resignation is welcome, but nearly 7 years overdue from what should have been her sacking, likely followed by her trial and prosecution.
Such is the perverse nature of Scotland’s toxic political theatre, that Sturgeon’s grotesque failures must, for now at least, be understated for the sake of unity and reconciliation throughout Scotland and the YES movement.
That’s a big ask, I feel it too, but if Alex Salmond can rise above all of Sturgeon’s knives in his back, and pay respects where none are due, then we should try as well.
Be happy that she’s gone, but Scotland has more important concerns than the legacy of a criminally dud FM. We still have Independence to secure.
It amazes me that there are still so many blind, deaf and dumb apologists that support this incompetent, criminal, anti-independent full on Brit Nat nuSNP Government. The worst government and the worst FM in Scottish history. They have undone all that the SNP have achieved in its long history, especially the Scotland and competent governance that Alex Salmond achieved during his tenure.
I have to say, “The Seer”, not so wise and very much blind to the facts, and his ilk are the reason that we are still in servile chains. I detest everything he and his like stand for (Devolution and British rule) and I will never march alongside his like again…ever!
Kudos to you and your team. You called it right, on every issue, all the way down the line. Respect!
I was talking to my older brother tonight. In the past he has worked tirelessly for the SNP in West Lothian. On many’s an occasion, as organiser and strategist, delivered many successful campaign victories. He has lost faith in the nuSNP and in particular, Sturgeon. After sitting together watching your show Roddy, he remarked that we should be worried should Anas Sarwar become first minister which has been suggested by the press. He pointed out that the damage done to the SNP and Scotland by Sturgeons administration has set Scotland and the independence movement back 20 years. He pointed out that there is every chance that the SNP will lose seats in any coming election and that if they drop the greens (as I believe they should), there is every possibility of a unionist coalition government being formed. I suggested that, through spite if they were pushed out, that the greens would probably join that coalition. It seems that if things don’t move quickly towards independence and the independence parties uniting the legacy of Sturgeon and the nuSNP we could end up with unionists in power and the dream of independence lost for the foreseeable future. The catch 22 is that the SNP (with a majority if they don’t engage with the other independence parties) has to maintain power in Scotland. If that leadership is under the old guard that is a bitter pill to swallow. Thoughts?
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The Ewings are the past….. this is 2023……all 4 of you old fogies are being left behind.
You’ve made your bed…now lie in it.
You’re optimistic for the yoons McLeod.
Mission accomplished…I hope you’re happy Rangers man.
Still the fools cannot see the damage done by the incompetent and dishonest Sturgeon!
Bravo Phil!
Also bravo Eva!
Great discussion folks, and spot on with the strategy that could take our people to freedom:
1. SNP indy-unity leader
2. Dissolve Holyrood
3. SNP alliance with Alba
4. Elect an Independence super-majority via SNP1: ALBA2
5. Reclaim Scottis Soveranety
Indy unity leader- who might that be ? Therein lies the problem.
Bravo all! Thoroughly enjoyed this evening’s Prism. Great way to round off a good day.
What difference does it make? How does this change anything?
BB, you are right: she is just the head of the snake. The likes of McDonald and others are just as dangerous, and the odious Greens need to be ditched, too. The ‘trans’ lobby has been given a bloody nose, but we should be very vigilant because it is not gone, and will retrench for another bid, and it has many allies in civic Scotland. ALBA also needs to be very careful now that they don’t move across and infiltrate it, especially if ALBA is embraced at some point. ‘Trans’ is like an infection. Beware.
Like Eva and Yvonne, I’m not cock-a-hoop at Sturgeon’s stepping down because there are too many other jobsworths and foot draggers and ‘trans’ apologists, not to mention overly ambitious persons who are not interested in independence, still infesting the party, and who will not be willing to make a U-turn.
Agree with it or not there is no need to alienate trans indy supporters. Many indy supporters are not transphobic.
Is the upholding of reality transphobic, Robert? There can be no such thing as ‘trans’ because no one can change sex, ergo ‘trans’ is a nonsense word for this particular condition. If you force me to choose between entering an independent Scotland where I have no rights at all or they are taken by ‘trans’, and an independent Scotland where my rights to safety, privacy and dignity are enshrined in a constitution and Bill of Rights, I will choose the latter. Force women into a situation where this issue has not been put to rest, and many will not vote for an indy Scotland. We are speaking here about 51-52% of the Scottish population. By all means, support the ‘trans’, but you cannot claim our vote, too, so good luck with your independence. I can only suggest that you have no understanding of the issues at stake for females and children.
Sturgeons’s legacy is that of how she and her clique derailed the SNP and the independence movement.
And now with her going the movement has to rebuild. But Phil is absolutely right when he says there is work to be done to wrestle the SNP from the grip of the establishment. Nicola’s going has not changed that.
My own view and the view of many is that there needs to be more destruction of the SNP. The poison in the SNP runs deep. The establishment sowed deep seeds. Sturgeon was not the only establishment actor.
But the desire for independence has not gone away.
Yes there may be growing dissatisfaction with the SNP but that is not dissatisfaction with independence. The drive for independence is there to be cultivated. Our elected members, not the compromised dross, now have the opportunity to take heart. A new FM in Scotland, a new party leader, a union of effort between those elected to Westminster with those elected to Hollyrood, a union of effort and cues between the SNP, Alba and others. The weaponry is all there to be rearranged resume the fight, force a referendum, collapse the Scottish Parliament, walk out of Westminster, create a constitutional invention or whatever and take what is ours.
Difficult times ahead certainly, but equally, with Sturgeon gone, the opportunity for change opens before us.
In 2016, when 62% of Scots voted against Brexit, ALL Sturgeon had to do was invoke the Claim of Right and the UK was immediately plunged into existential Constitutional crisis which I cannot see how the Union would have survived.
The legal benchmarks in the Good Friday Agreement became the basis for the Northern Irish Backstop.
The legal benchmarks in the Treaty of Union; the violation of the Claim of Right, should have become the basis for a Scottish Backstop even more powerful than the Irish, and that Scottish Backstop would have halted Brexit completely, or, split the Union in two.
The London Government could not have overturned the democratic will of Scotland backed up by the Claim of Right, and the weight of International Law would have been full square behind Scotland, just as it was with Ireland the NI Backstop.. Scottish Independence was right there for the taking in 2016. No if’s, no buts. (Ok maybe a couple of ‘ifs’).
Either the Union died, because Brexit going ahead was an act of subjugation and an explicit violation of Scotland’s lawful Constitution, or, if Brexit was abandoned, that effectively meant Scotland had a sovereign veto inside the UK, and Tory Brexit Britain would have found that situation intolerable and irreconcilable.
Sturgeon’s capitulation to Scotland’s Brexit is by far Nicola Sturgeon’s greatest failure, her most heinous abdication of responsibility, and an egregious betrayal of Scotland which dwarfs all her other failures put together.
Sturgeon should have been sacked in 2016 for squandering Scotland’s Independence when presented with a open goal to quash the Treaty of Union and lay the blame / responsibility for the UK’s demise squarely on the hubris and exceptionalism of BritNat arrogance.
Not only would Scotland have been Independent in 2016, but in a commanding position to largely dictate the terms of the dissolution of the Union after it was London’s Brexit debacle which rendered the Treaty of Union untenable.
That Sturgeon got away with this biblical betrayal of Scotland should stand as graphic testimony as to how utterly dysfunctional Scotland’s powers of self defence currently are, having been compromised by the invasive colonial doctrines of the 1998 Scotland Act, augmented by wall to wall disinformation and indoctrination by the UK media.
When the truth comes out, Sturgeon’s legacy will be a litany of shameful failures. Her resignation is welcome, but nearly 7 years overdue from what should have been her sacking, likely followed by her trial and prosecution.
Such is the perverse nature of Scotland’s toxic political theatre, that Sturgeon’s grotesque failures must, for now at least, be understated for the sake of unity and reconciliation throughout Scotland and the YES movement.
That’s a big ask, I feel it too, but if Alex Salmond can rise above all of Sturgeon’s knives in his back, and pay respects where none are due, then we should try as well.
Be happy that she’s gone, but Scotland has more important concerns than the legacy of a criminally dud FM. We still have Independence to secure.
It amazes me that there are still so many blind, deaf and dumb apologists that support this incompetent, criminal, anti-independent full on Brit Nat nuSNP Government. The worst government and the worst FM in Scottish history. They have undone all that the SNP have achieved in its long history, especially the Scotland and competent governance that Alex Salmond achieved during his tenure.
I have to say, “The Seer”, not so wise and very much blind to the facts, and his ilk are the reason that we are still in servile chains. I detest everything he and his like stand for (Devolution and British rule) and I will never march alongside his like again…ever!
Kudos to you and your team. You called it right, on every issue, all the way down the line. Respect!
Totally agree Breeks and quite correct as well.
I was talking to my older brother tonight. In the past he has worked tirelessly for the SNP in West Lothian. On many’s an occasion, as organiser and strategist, delivered many successful campaign victories. He has lost faith in the nuSNP and in particular, Sturgeon. After sitting together watching your show Roddy, he remarked that we should be worried should Anas Sarwar become first minister which has been suggested by the press. He pointed out that the damage done to the SNP and Scotland by Sturgeons administration has set Scotland and the independence movement back 20 years. He pointed out that there is every chance that the SNP will lose seats in any coming election and that if they drop the greens (as I believe they should), there is every possibility of a unionist coalition government being formed. I suggested that, through spite if they were pushed out, that the greens would probably join that coalition. It seems that if things don’t move quickly towards independence and the independence parties uniting the legacy of Sturgeon and the nuSNP we could end up with unionists in power and the dream of independence lost for the foreseeable future. The catch 22 is that the SNP (with a majority if they don’t engage with the other independence parties) has to maintain power in Scotland. If that leadership is under the old guard that is a bitter pill to swallow. Thoughts?